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samsekar
Constraint Violating Yak Guru
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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master
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Posted - 2004-10-01 : 06:35:40
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nice aritcle... much truth to it, no?Go with the flow & have fun! Else fight the flow  |
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X002548
Not Just a Number
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Posted - 2004-10-01 : 08:46:21
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“Indians are very optimistic,” she says. But they can also be over-optimistic, and when they are over-optimistic about delivery schedules, it can lead to big trouble. Trouble can come in many forms: burned out workers, upset and distrustful clients, sloppy work - and several other unwanted consequences.
Hmmmmm...I could probably think of a few others....The point of the article...the people are good but the methodolgy is bad...Brett8-) |
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samsekar
Constraint Violating Yak Guru
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Posted - 2004-10-01 : 09:30:30
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I dont agree with your point Brett!!  The article talks about the communication, understanding the culture. I think the day is not too far for global relationship to work.  - Sekar |
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X002548
Not Just a Number
15586 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-01 : 10:10:37
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| Did I mis-quote the 2nd paragraph of the article?Brett8-) |
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X002548
Not Just a Number
15586 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-01 : 10:26:17
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“Indians are fast-paced in their thinking whereas Americans are linear. Indians want to get on to the next thing quickly. And when given a project to do, they want to rush into it and complete it fast,” she says.
That's a pretty broad brush there.....Brett8-) |
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MichaelP
Jedi Yak
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Posted - 2004-10-01 : 10:33:07
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That's a pretty broad brush there.....
Oh yeah!I think programmers on contract want to rush through a project and complete it as fast as possible, so they can move on to the next contract and make more money. Being Indian or American has nothing to do with it. It's about GREED.Micheal<Yoda>Use the Search page you must. Find the answer you will.</Yoda> |
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X002548
Not Just a Number
15586 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-01 : 10:41:33
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| Interesting point....Fee for service, contracted, or salaried?Brett8-) |
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X002548
Not Just a Number
15586 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-01 : 10:54:22
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Ireally like this one...quote:
One serious complaint American companies have with Indian firms can so easily be rectified that she feels it’s necessary to lay stress on it during the workshops she conducts in India. “Indian companies don’t tell us when they’re going to be late with the delivery. Often the bad news is not communicated till the last minute, really upsetting schedules of the client company,” US firms tell Schafer. Her advice to India: "Give them a heads-up".
Ya think?Brett8-) |
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JimL
SQL Slinging Yak Ranger
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Posted - 2004-10-01 : 13:23:45
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But here’s what can happen: a mismatch between what the client was trying to communicate and what the Indian techie has understood. Schafer’s advice: “Always double check with the client what it was he/she meant. Repeat the given task as understood by you.
It is a known fact that is much easer to understand an alternate language than it is to speak it. (about half our workers do not use english as there primary language) So if good communication is Key then the individual using the alternate language must take extra steps to be understood. I have one Guy I deal with In India, I can tell the Guy is smarter than me, in fact I would guess he is probably in the genius class. But his accent is so heavy and he talks so fast he is almost impossible to understand, so I hate working on projects with him even though he knows more than me and could greatly speed the project.JimUsers <> Logic |
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X002548
Not Just a Number
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samsekar
Constraint Violating Yak Guru
437 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-04 : 03:57:16
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Hmm.. really encouraging news.. Veritas hails its Indian inventors http://www.hindu.com/2004/10/04/stories/2004100406550700.htmquote:
Of the nearly 100 who attended, nearly 70 were Indian software engineers named in a U.S. patent application filed on behalf of the global storage management leader, Veritas.
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mohdowais
Sheikh of Yak Knowledge
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Posted - 2004-10-05 : 04:29:54
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| hmmm...I am in India this week to catch up with our development team there, and maybe try and make the global relationship work Seriously, I agree that communication is not easy as it seems even with telephone calls, Instant messenger conversations and emails flying back and forth, there can be quite a gap in the understanding between both parties. In my (limited) experience, I'd say the most important role is the Project manager or leader at the developers end, who's got to do all the co-ordination and very often, the translation If you have a good project manager, it makes life a lot easier.OS |
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samsekar
Constraint Violating Yak Guru
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Posted - 2004-10-05 : 04:57:38
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| You are Welcome mohdowais.. Which place you are going to visit in India?. I live in Chennai!- Sekar |
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jhermiz
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Posted - 2004-10-17 : 12:42:50
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| This is a load of crap. Since when do we start assuming just because someone is indian / jewish / arabic / african that they want to get things done quicker ? That was the stupidest article I've ever read in my ENTIRE life. |
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X002548
Not Just a Number
15586 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-18 : 09:24:48
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| Damn, Now I have to change my stance....well, maybe not.The issues are not that simple.And you need to understand that cultural differences have a huge impact on the way you think.That's neither good nor bad. It just is.But when I have to ask a contractor why something is taking so long, and why they are "wrapped around the axel" of a problem, and get an answer that it's because it's boolean algebra, I get a little pissed off.Oh, my requirement for that.If it's True, I wanted Col1 CHAR(1) DEFAULT 'N' to be set to 'Y', otherwise leave default.He got let go.Bottom line.Does it get done correctly, on time, and under budget?That's the measuring stick.My experience is no.Brett8-) |
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Making the global relationship work !