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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2005-06-06 : 09:19:06
know who this is?

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/brettk/archive/2005/01/12/3968.aspx

I'm gonna have to take some time and craft a response....



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jhermiz

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Posted - 2005-06-06 : 09:36:45
quote:
Originally posted by X002548

know who this is?

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/brettk/archive/2005/01/12/3968.aspx

I'm gonna have to take some time and craft a response....



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Probably Pascal using his 5th personality ?


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Merkin
Funky Drop Bear Fearing SQL Dude!

4970 Posts

Posted - 2005-06-06 : 09:41:11
http://brhf.whitewomanblackdog.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48



Damian
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Amethystium
Aged Yak Warrior

701 Posts

Posted - 2005-06-06 : 09:46:16
Hehehe..... the whole point is that if he had provided the link to the SQLTeam thread, he wouldn't have had to write his piece. Malice intended perhaps?

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jhermiz

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Posted - 2005-06-06 : 09:46:55
quote:
Originally posted by Merkin

http://brhf.whitewomanblackdog.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=48



Damian
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Hahahahahah
whitewomanblackdog.com - get your groove on!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA right on!!!



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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2005-06-06 : 09:57:06
Thnaks Damain.

Don't know if I could have crafted a better response.

Though don't know if I would have used "Ivory tower blowhard"



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rockmoose
SQL Natt Alfen

3279 Posts

Posted - 2005-06-06 : 11:59:13
You are linked here Brett, found the interchange between FP & Rudy(r937) somewhat interesting.

http://www.dbdebunk.com/page/page/2049828.htm

Being on the team today is like visiting kindergarten (almost).

The comment on Your blog was just stupid,
if the guy was literate and had any incentive to get his facts right he would not have posted it.

Great link Damian, laughed my head off.

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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-11 : 10:37:32
Know what....

I just found this..

http://www.tdan.com/sms_issue33.htm

I love the fact that Mr. Pascal does not even address the issue, that he uses a reference to SQL Team, and stands up on mount olympus, and doesn't point out that we already provided the "correct" answer.

I love the fact the he publishes, yet there is no place for rebuttal.

And aren't you suppose to ask the poster if it's ok to republish content? Especially since everything he re-posts is taken out of context?



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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master

11752 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-11 : 11:01:12
why do you even care, brett?

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Seventhnight
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker

2878 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-11 : 11:13:13
its pretty pathetic that he's been doing this for 20 years... and I just wasted my time by reading an article in which he said nothing useful. It seems to be an attention getting scheme... does he normally post useful articles (haven't read any others except the 2 in question)??

I think I'll go watch paint dry...

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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-11 : 11:28:24
quote:
Originally posted by spirit1

why do you even care, brett?

Go with the flow & have fun! Else fight the flow



Because he made refernce to my blog, then went on to misrepresnt it.

I would think that's just wrong. I mean don't they sue for crap like that?



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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master

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Posted - 2005-08-11 : 11:41:17
to quote myself from anouther thread:
just say: "hey that's your opinion..."
and move on...
ok if he insulted you on a deeply personal level and you can't live with yourself by doing nothing then i guess you could suee him...


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Sitka
Aged Yak Warrior

571 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-11 : 13:20:18
quote:
Well, I don't have a problem with the article, just the tone AND the fact that he (or someone that he works with) trolls the Team sote [sic] ... doesn't post, uses the URL in the article, post some outrageous "intellectual" property (at least he references the poster) and then goes on to regurgitate what basically the collective SQLTeam responded to, and with NO reference to the team members who took issue with the original post. That's my first pet peeve.


I think you are right on this part Brett, all the other stuff kind of springs from that childish publishing style of no links to provide context. That leaves the stage wide open for all kind of redirection, smack talk etc. We all are fallable in certain ways and we all have thresholds in dealing with what we will tolerate or consider worthy of our attention. Highly individual. But this stuff irks me too and net result in this case is same sh*t, different p*le. Funny how a childish publishing style can take subsequent readings way down on your TO READ list, dosen't take much.

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rockmoose
SQL Natt Alfen

3279 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-11 : 17:50:26
Well done Brett!

FB has valid points to make, but the way he tries to get them across!
Everyone and everything gets caught in the crossfire from his tirades.
Rabid.

>> does he normally post useful articles
Yes, about how bad the ("R"DBMS) industry is and how badly educated everyone is.

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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-12 : 09:36:01
quote:
Originally posted by rockmoose

>> does he normally post useful articles
Yes, about how bad the ("R"DBMS) industry is and how badly educated everyone is.



And of what value is that? Go out and build your own damn rdbms and stop the bellyaching...good lord knows we need to be saved from ourselves...

Yours truly,

A lowly solutions provider



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rockmoose
SQL Natt Alfen

3279 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-12 : 11:24:21
quote:
Originally posted by X002548

quote:
Originally posted by rockmoose

>> does he normally post useful articles
Yes, about how bad the ("R"DBMS) industry is and how badly educated everyone is.



And of what value is that? Go out and build your own damn rdbms and stop the bellyaching...good lord knows we need to be saved from ourselves...

Yours truly,

A lowly solutions provider


There was a hint of irony in the Yes, didn't come through.
Doesn't matter.

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Michael Valentine Jones
Yak DBA Kernel (pronounced Colonel)

7020 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-12 : 23:35:29

I remember thinking the original thread on SQLTeam was a troll, and said that in a post:
http://www.sqlteam.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=42060&whichpage=2

I wonder if the thread was actually a strawman post. There was a lot of detail in that post, and it seemed 00kevin knew too much about databases to really believe what he was saying. Maybe the purpose of the thread was to provide someone with a stupid, uneducated strawman to rip apart.

His remarks from the first article have an air of pomposity that quickly grows tiresome:
"This is what happens in the absence of education: practitioners operate with blinders, believing that they avoid the very problems that they actually create... ...But how can uninformed, uneducated practitioners possibly know this, when they never learned the fundamentals of their field?"

The pomposity in his latest article is even more unrestrained:
"Now, my articles usually contain substantive criticism which, if wrong, can be proven such. But seldom do I encounter demonstrations to that effect that withstand the simplest scrutiny. The rare attempt to rebut is feeble, often outright wrong, and almost always without evidence."

His contempt for the uneducated drips with venom, so maybe the uneducated have simply chosen not to seek wisdom from someone who holds them in such contempt. It must be especially irksome for someone with such godlike knowledge and abilities that unwashed practitioners fail to show him the proper reverence. Perhaps this is the reason behind the recent tirade.







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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2005-08-15 : 08:46:08
[gasp]

00kevin=Fabian

[/gasp]



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