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Sitka
Aged Yak Warrior

571 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 08:38:20
I often wondered what it would be like to be a developer in another speaking language. Man it must be tough with so much documentation and efforts in English. Maybe it's nice because there isn't so much junk. Sometimes I'm sad that I can't enjoy other parts of the web that aren't in English in non work related stuff.
Can't imagine MSDN and SQLTEAM in another language. What are they like?
So 100 years from now is everybody just going to assimilate to English knowingly or not knowingly, what would be the alternative,
will there always be fragmentation.
Kind of like if you move somewhere and become conversant, at what point do you dream in a non-native language.

JULES
What country you from!
BRETT
(petrified)
What?
JULES
"What" ain't no country I know! Do
they speak English in "What?"
BRETT
(near heart attack)
What?
JULES
English-mo****f****-can-you-speak-it?


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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 08:44:51
What?

....and who is Jules...

ps suggest you clean up the post...

(and I thought I was the only one with disconnected ramblings)



Brett

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Merkin
Funky Drop Bear Fearing SQL Dude!

4970 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 08:47:20
Yes, if you could edit that it would be good (I would get accused of all sorts of things if I do it for you).

Also, if you are going to quote Pulp Fiction, get it right (his name was Brad, but there are other misquotes)


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Amethystium
Aged Yak Warrior

701 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 08:47:52
Yes.... I would say at least 20% of Brett's posts make no sense to me anyway.

But who am I to say? I know naaaathing, I'm from Barcelona!


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Merkin
Funky Drop Bear Fearing SQL Dude!

4970 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 08:49:50
20%! You are doing well I'll have to get you to translate for me.


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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 08:50:22
¿Veinte por ciento? ¿Ése es todo? ¡Elasticidad del hombre I usted muchos de crédito entonces!



Brett

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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 08:51:10
See...there you go....



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Merkin
Funky Drop Bear Fearing SQL Dude!

4970 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 09:12:25
quote:

Twenty percents? That one is everything? Elasticity of credit man I you many then!




Damian
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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 09:29:14
I used google to translate....

What did you use?

(it was originally:
quote:

Twenty percent?
That's all?
Man I give you a lot of credit then!


)


Brett

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Sitka
Aged Yak Warrior

571 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 09:44:17
Brett,
No offense Jules and Brett were characters in a movie called Pulp Fiction.
Merkin says Brett = Brad in truth. quoted from here

http://www.godamongdirectors.com/scripts/pulp.shtml

it's been a while since I saw it

Just that is how I felt, after reading some posts.
Jules terror feeding frustration got me thinking about,
stuff like "what if MSDN was only in French" and
that was my second language.
The links in the original just demo
some pitfalls in the communication
process.

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mohdowais
Sheikh of Yak Knowledge

1456 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 09:44:26
You guys are one hell of a bunch of funny geeks!

brett, you give new meaning to the expression "speak your mind"...but really dont have to know everything that goes on in your brain, do we?

Just kidding, keep it coming, love your mumbling...

On a serious note, this forum really has been getting a lot of publicity on the web, now we see people from many countries. I dont remember seeing people from France and Japan on this forum before...

Graz, Rob, Damian...you guys have done it...Cheers!!!

Owais


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graz
Chief SQLTeam Crack Dealer

4149 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 11:36:53
One of my first jobs out of college was with Andersen Consulting (now accenture). My first trip to their central training facility in sunny St. Charles was pretty entertaining. They had people from all over the world. It was funny to hear people speaking in a different language but hearing "English" computer terms thrown into the conversation. You could almost follow along if it was a really technical conversation.

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Amethystium
Aged Yak Warrior

701 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 12:23:28
[[Andersen Consulting (now accenture)]]

Oh yes... I know all about accenture boys [that's what we use to refer to them].

I don't know, maybe it was them but the french ones sure hated us english speaking ones.

.... or because we were contractors.

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Sitka
Aged Yak Warrior

571 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 12:54:37
>>You could almost follow along if it was a really technical conversation.
Yeah that is the kind of craziness I'm talking about.
I can't even think what that would be like
Does the french version of MSSQL use french words?
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JimL
SQL Slinging Yak Ranger

1537 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 17:23:19
In the days of mighty sailing ships if you wanted to sail or trade you spoke English.
Guess some things never change.
That is unless you’re a pirate.


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nr
SQLTeam MVY

12543 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 18:34:57
>> One of my first jobs out of college was with Andersen Consulting
lol - A lot of my work has been clearing up after them or preventing them implementing unnecessary systems.

Last one was when they were brought in to implement processes for a customer.
The project initiation meeting was "You write down the processes that you want to implement and I'll find one of our documents that matches it and present it. I'm off on holiday now, see you in 2 weeks".

Must admit I was surprised he was so transparent.
Same project they gave us a VB/sql server expert. He was a contractor who had never met anyone from the company and wrote a VB app to repeatedly run a timer to schedule an app to run once a week.

Have met some good people from Andersens but a lot that weren't

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Merkin
Funky Drop Bear Fearing SQL Dude!

4970 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-22 : 19:14:56
quote:
Originally posted by Sitka
The links in the original just demo
some pitfalls in the communication
process.



I see what you are getting at, but you took both of those particular way out of context. My one was having a go at Jay about a hastily typed comment that didn't make much sense. Jeff's request for English was in response to somebody pasting pages of TSQL code and asking for it to be fixed. What Jeff was getting at was asking the poster to explain what his business rules are. Jeff's use of the word "English" wasn't to say that the poster had a poor command of the language, he was just asking for words instead of code.

But I do know what you mean, I had to debug some code written in Brazil. All the object names were English, and all the variable names were in Portugese. It looked really weird . So yes, if you are writing code in another language, most of the API calls are in English.


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Sitka
Aged Yak Warrior

571 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-23 : 06:48:21
The two threads I mentioned had context for me only I guess because I'm reading along thinking, What if English was my second language?
The hastily typed one, in that case would have been a stumbling block in the thread instead of breezing over it and recognizing it at a mistype. Then the funny ensuing bits would have been a stretch for a second language reader, as in "I don't get it". This kind of stuff is all over the place, it's definitely not bad stuff just stuff that when in the place of not knowing English well would throw you.
Then the other one, really brought it to a point for me. There are masters of interpreting the original requirements from code here. But at some point sometimes a good restating or rethink of them is needed or helpful to those trying to help, again following that as if English were a second language, I imagine kind of difficult.
I'm not anti English at all, guess I just drifted of into a nightmare of not knowing it. Paranoia followed.
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AndrewMurphy
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker

2916 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-23 : 07:47:22
"I'm not anti English at all"....

.....and you're not even Irish!!!
.....that's our preserve!
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Stoad
Freaky Yak Linguist

1983 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-24 : 14:34:29
Much Ado About Nothing (c) Shakespeare W.
Plz somebody tell me how to interprete this line from
one of his pieces:

... Let him marry a wife that cannot go...
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X002548
Not Just a Number

15586 Posts

Posted - 2003-10-24 : 14:59:19
It's easy...

What's the requirement (or Req)

Such a global community.....

Please tell me, in Latin, What you are trying to do....



Brett

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