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Seventhnight
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
2878 Posts |
 Posted - 2004-10-13 : 10:51:25
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I was thinking about all of the useful information on SQLTeam, specifically, all of the nice tricks that I have learned over the past months...And it occurred to me: No one else where I work utilizes this great tool!! Most often, I am the resource (its nice to feel needed), but why don't they read up to better their own skills? I also find it strange that our ex-manager knows less about SQL than anyone else in the department, and he is a SQL developer (for web apps).So the questions I leave to you:1) What is the ratio of people who use SQLTeam (or a similar source) to better their SQL knowledge VS. the total number of people who utilize SQL frequently?2) How many of you SQLTeamers are the manager or director of your group?My answers:1) 1/42) I am not in charge  Corey |
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ditch
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
1466 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 11:23:30
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| 1.) 5 / 1502.) None of them are managers or directorsDo you want to know who the other 4 @ our shop are?Duane. |
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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master
11752 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 11:27:12
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ditch: of course we want to know  here it's 1/4 also.i'm also not in charge but i showed them the site and i guess they read it at least... hope so...Go with the flow & have fun! Else fight the flow  |
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ditch
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
1466 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 11:30:59
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| I'll try remember there logons - Thay are not too active here:ShounenSharkyTheGrimmMuntuSpelling may be wrong.Duane. |
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Wanderer
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
1168 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 11:45:45
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| Well, here it is:3/18 I believe..I too am not in charge, needless to say*##* *##* *##* *##* Chaos, Disorder and Panic ... my work is done here! |
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Wanderer
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
1168 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 11:46:32
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| Having said that, my previous site, it was about:3/100 or so...*##* *##* *##* *##* Chaos, Disorder and Panic ... my work is done here! |
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AjarnMark
SQL Slashing Gunting Master
3246 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 12:28:27
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In my company it's:1/1And I am in charge. This company wouldn't be anything without me. I own the company. I am the company. The company is me. We are one.-----------------------------------------------------Words of Wisdom from AjarnMark, owner of Infoneering |
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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master
11752 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 12:40:52
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| you are Borg. everyone will be assimilated, right? give me your money or i decompile your code Go with the flow & have fun! Else fight the flow |
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ditch
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
1466 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 12:44:23
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Originally posted by spirit1
you are Borg. everyone will be assimilated, right? give me your money or i decompile your code
Decompile your code Please explain?Why go to all the effort of "decompiling" when you can just remove it?Duane. |
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Kristen
Test
22859 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 13:12:07
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| I'm the boss. There are 3 other developers here, and in an associated company there are another 10 or so. They lean on me for SQL problem solving. I would frown on them using SQLTeam during work - it would be fine it I was away etc., but its time consuming and mostly I can answer their questions, and given them appropriate peripheral education etc. Kristen |
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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master
11752 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 13:36:31
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| acctually it's not THAT time consuming in total i spend half an hour per day here, which i don't count in my work hours although i get paid by the hour.but yeah.... with you for sql problem solving why use sqlteam, right? ditch: because he can, he's the borg.... or for younger ones he's Neo. he's one with the program AjarnMark: dude no offense, but that just cracked me up. i just had to put a star trek reference there.Go with the flow & have fun! Else fight the flow |
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Kristen
Test
22859 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 13:51:53
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| You're posting at the same rate as me ... I doubt you are actually doing that on 30 minutes a day, but.I work loads of hours, so I don't consider the SQLTeam time too closely. When we are too busy I don't appear here! If we are perpetually "too busy" then we haven't got any slack and are going to disappoint someone. But no sense the 9-5 troops spending time here, unless they were looking for an answr that I wasn't around/able to give.Kristen |
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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master
11752 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 14:33:45
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| in average i do...when there is much to do, then is little less. when we have time little more...it evens out i guess i spend time here for the same reason you do... it rocks. and it gives satisfaction when someone says:uau it works...Go with the flow & have fun! Else fight the flow |
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Seventhnight
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
2878 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 14:35:37
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| I agree with spirit - kristen, with you around at my office, I probably wouldn't need to be reading SQLTeam either...It does seem that most of the SQLTeamers are not the boss, except of course for AjarnMark and Kristen, but I suppose we'll need a few more replies to get a more definitive answer.Corey |
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eyechart
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
3575 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 14:37:55
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| I don't mind people using sqlteam during work hours. It is good to have your brain take a break from your real job and think about some other problem. Participation on a site like sqlteam can only make you a better developer or dba in my opinion.Now, I don't advocate spending huge amount of time online here, but I would consider spending an hour or so a day as time well spent.btw, I am not the boss. And I think that there are probably a couple more people where I work who are online here at sqlteam. -ec |
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spirit1
Cybernetic Yak Master
11752 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 14:41:50
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| we acctually don't do much SQL here, so sqlteam also keeps me up to date with everything... keeps the little grey sql cells working because now and then we do have some work with sql and then it comes handy to have a few pointers and ideas.which there wouldn't be if i didn't hang around here.Ergo, sqlteam is good . EDIT:eyechart: couldn't put it better...Go with the flow & have fun! Else fight the flow |
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Merkin
Funky Drop Bear Fearing SQL Dude!
4970 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 18:13:56
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| I agree with eyechart, when I started posting here...years ago, I didn't know all that much. Any time I spent here was paid back to the company through me being a better developer.Now I'm a consultant, so it's just me... of course, it means I have less time to spend here At one company I worked at, the DBA told me I should read SQLTeam articles. He was pretty embarrased when I pointed out that I wrote the article he was pointing at Damian |
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chadmat
The Chadinator
1974 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 19:03:56
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Originally posted by Kristen
I'm the boss. There are 3 other developers here, and in an associated company there are another 10 or so. They lean on me for SQL problem solving. I would frown on them using SQLTeam during work - it would be fine it I was away etc., but its time consuming and mostly I can answer their questions, and given them appropriate peripheral education etc. Kristen
I think that is a bad perspective. Because maybe one day you won't be there to solve all their problems. They should learn to be self sufficient, and SQL Team (In my opinion) is valuable training. Now I agree they shouldn't spend all day here, but there is a difference between learning something, and having someone tell you what to do. -Chadhttp://www.clrsoft.comSoftware built for the Common Language Runtime. |
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derrickleggett
Pointy Haired Yak DBA
4184 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-13 : 22:55:39
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| I agree with chadmat on this. We encourage our DBA group to use the forums out there. We can help them along. I'd rather they know and learn how to research issues on their own though. If they are stuck or need help meeting timelines, Dave (a really good DBA we have on staff) or I can always step in and speed things up. Forums and experience are two of the best ways to learn I know of.MeanOldDBAderrickleggett@hotmail.comWhen life gives you a lemon, fire the DBA. |
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ditch
Master Smack Fu Yak Hacker
1466 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-14 : 01:03:09
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| Yip, I agree with most here - forums are good, some other developers ask me how to do stuff in sql and quite often I end up referring them to articles or threads on this site - which is why the 4 members mentioned above are here. For all I know there might be more - come to think of it I saw one of our dba's reading one of the articles here the other day - but apparently - he is not a member here.I have been spending a lot less time here than I used to, but that is because I am particularly busy at the moment - when I am done with this project, I'll probably become a bit more active again - I don't use the pc much at home you see - so my more recent posts have generally been made in the hour before I start billing for my work and the hour after (You know the warm up and wind down period)Duane. |
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Kristen
Test
22859 Posts |
Posted - 2004-10-14 : 04:38:59
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| "there is a difference between learning something, and having someone tell you what to do"I don't [think that I] tell them what to do, I take the time to educate them around the problem and ensure that they develop the skills they need. That will include sending them on courses and providing books/reading-time etc.SQL Team is a great resource. It wouldn't work without some people to answer the routine questions, and the frequency of those people actually ASKING a question is pretty low, so they are the Givers in here. Its a nice place to hang out, and I like to think I'm putting something back for all the other places where I'm too underskilled to be anything other than a Taker.However, I would not advocate reading SQL Team as a useful resource for my troops. Its a scatter gun approach - you are exposed to the same thing over-and-over (only 1% of the time does a nugget come up on a standard problem that is worth adding to the knowledge-base), and lots of the things that come up are outside the range of useful-knowledge-for-the-future. (My troops are developers - SQL, ASP, HTML, etc. - not wanna-be DBAs!)Don't get me wrong, I think its a great resource. But I would frown VERY heavily on someone spending an hour a day here - that's over 10% of their paid-for time - and they'd also be doing the things they currently do as well - looking at the Register, MSN'ing their chums and so on!On the other hand ... for Trainee DBAs I would take a different view."They should learn to be self sufficient"You can bet your bottom dollar that they are that! They'd be along here in a shot if they needed some help and I wasn't around, or even if they through my suggestions were <insert_expletive>!Kristen |
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